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=== Low pass filter chart from Micomsoft ===
 
=== Low pass filter chart from Micomsoft ===

Revision as of 11:24, 12 January 2010

Xrgb-3 logo.gif

XRGB-3 front
XRGB-3 back

Original guide (pdf format) can be found here, but will be deleted when wiki is fully updated

Insert introduction speech ?

TO DO / NEED HELP FOR :

- fixing english typos (english is not my native language)

- improving japanese menus translation

- translating firmwares changelogs

- completing "Recommanded settings" and adding other systems (arcade pcbs, other console) ?

- anything that should be in this guide

- adding/fixing things in orange

- improving menus/summary

- shall i put this guide on some wiki or doc/pdf file is enough ? <- currently working on it

Contents

Translations

Firmware translation

Firmware translation for version 2.12.

メインメニュー (Main menu)

Japanese English
アスペクト Aspect ratio
画質調整 Image settings
画面調整 Screen settings
子画面調整- PCinP settings
画面特殊設定 Special screen settings
サウンド調整 Sound settings
オプション Options
スペシャル Special

アスペクト (Aspect ratio)

Japanese English Setting Default setting
アスペクト Aspect ratio 自動 (Auto) / ノーマル (Normal) / ワイド (Wide) Auto

画質調整 (Image settings)

Japanese English Setting Default setting
明るさ Brightness 0 - 63 32
ガンマ Gamma 0 - 63 16
黒レベル Black level 0 - 255 128
鮮明度 Sharpness 0 - 31 7
Rレベル Red level 0 - 63 32
Gレベル Green level 0 - 63 32
Bレベル Blue level 0 - 63 32
Rガンマ Red gamma 0 - 63 16
Gガンマ Green gamma 0 - 63 16
Bガンマ Blue gamma 0 - 63 16
色合い Color tint ?? 0 - 63 32
色の濃さ Color depth 0 - 63 32

画面調整 (Screen settings)

Japanese English Setting Default setting
出力水平位置 Output horizontal position 0 - 63 32
出力垂直位置 Ouput vertical position 0 - 63 32
水平位置 Horizontal position 0 - 63 32
垂直位置 Vertical position 0 - 63 32
水平画面比率 Horizontal screen size 0 - 63 32
垂直画面比率 Vertical screen size 0 - 63 32

子画面調整 (PCinP settings)

Japanese English Setting Default setting
子画面表示 View ?? ?? ??
子画面サイズ Size ?? ?? ??
子画面水平位置 Horizontal position ?? ?? ??
子画面垂直位置 Vertical position ?? ?? ??
子画面比率 Rate ?? ?? ??

画面特殊設定 (Special screen settings)

Japanese English Setting Default setting
ガイドライン Guidelines オフ (OFF) / オン (ON) OFF
PC 水平ドットマッチ PC horizontal dot match ?? ??
PC マッチ PC match ?? ??
PC 手動ドットクロック PC dot clock manual ?? ??
PC スキュー PC skew ?? ??
NTSCドットクロック NTSC dot lock 標準 (STANDARD) / 手動 (MANUAL) STANDARD
NTSC 手動ドットクロック NTSC dot lock manual 0 - 4095 3639
NTSC AFC NTSC AFC 自動 (AUTO) / 手動 (MANUAL) AUTO
AFCレベル AFC level 0 - 7 2
スクリーンサイズ Screen size (??) 標準 (STANDARD) / アンダー (UNDERSCAN) / D2ズーム (D2 ZOOM) STANDARD
描画方式 Drawing method 疑似インター (INTERLACED) / ノンインター (NON-INTERLACED) INTERLACED

サウンド調整 (Sound settings)

Japanese English Setting Default setting
音声レベル Audio level 0 - 63 25
キサ Mixers 0 - 15 8
消音 Mute オフ (OFF) / オン (ON) OFF
高音調整 Treble 0 - 15 7
低音調整 Bass 0 - 15 7
ラウド Loud オフ (OFF) / オン (ON) OFF
センター調整 Center 0 - 63 31

オプション (Options)

Japanese English Setting Default setting
D 入力2 信号方式 D in 2 INPUT signal 色差 (YUV) / セパレート (SEPERATE → RGBHV??) / 複合 (RGB) YUV
21ピン入力信号方式 21-pin INPUT signal 色差 (YUV) / 複合 (RGB) RGB
21ピン入力終端 21-pin INPUT termination 75 オーム (75 OHM) / 220 オーム (220 OHM) 75 OHM
V 同期ロック V-Sync lock オフ (OFF) / オン (ON) ON
電源設定 Power management スタンバイ (STANDBY) オン (ON) STANDBY
静止 Freeze frame オフ (OFF) / オン (ON) ON
Y/C 分離設定 Y/C separation mode 自動 (AUTO) / ローパス (LOW PASS) AUTO
水平同期極性 Horizontal sync polarity スルー (PASSTHROUGH) / 反転 (INVERTED) PASSTHROUGH
垂直同期極性 Vertical sync polarity スルー (PASSTHROUGH) / 反転 (INVERTED) PASSTHROUGH
低解像度設定 Low screen resolutions オフ (OFF) / オン (ON) OFF
ディスプレイ画面モード Display screen resolutions 320x240 / 640x400 / 640x480 / 1024x768 / 1280x1024 / 1600x1200 / 1280x768 / 1360x768 / 1440x900 / 1680x1050 / 1920x1080 / 1920x1200 1024x768
FULL_HD解像度設定 FULL_HD resolution setting LOW / HIGH LOW
スルー入力設定 PC INPUT signal 自動 (AUTO) / アナログ (ANALOG) / デジタル (DIGITAL) AUTO

スペシャル (Special)

Japanese English Setting Default setting
A/Dレベル A/D level 0 - 255 255
画面ステータス Status screen - -
Firm Ver Firmware version CPU / FPGA 1 / FPGA 2 / FGPA 3 / FPGA 4 / CMD / OSD / PLL / PCB -
FPGA SELECT FPGA SELECT B0 / B1 / B2 / B3 B0
VL_H VL_H 0 - 255 255
VL_V VL_V 0 - 255 255
LPF LPF オフ (OFF) / オン (ON) ON
DOT_by_DOT DOT_by_DOT オフ (OFF) / オン (ON) ON

Remote translation

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Released firmwares

B0 firmwares

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Version Date Changes Known issues
insert coin insert coin insert coin insert coin

B1 firmwares

Version Date Changes Known issues
1.0 2008-05-09 Add B1 FPGA mode (Line Doubler & Transcoder) n/a

FAQ

Why should i use XRGB-3 ?

Full answer : Deinterlacing Classic Videogames (by Fudoh)

Short answer : XRGB-3 is perfect for old school gaming (Nes, Super Nes, PC Engine, ...) to PC / HDTV monitor. Another cool addition is the ability to play PlayStation Portable games in TRUE fullscreen. XRGB-3 can also be used as a transcoder for more recent video games consoles (Dreamcast, Gamecube, Wii, Xbox, …). XRGB-3 can be used as an upscaler but the result is not always good and you will have to deal with issues (input lag, tweaking settings, …). If you are looking for a good deinterlacer/upscaler for modern consoles, buy a DVDO Edge

Where can i buy XRGB-3 ?

Try Ebay, Yahoo Japan Auctions, Solaris-Japan.

What do I need to use an XRGB-3

You need your game console, a TV/Monitor capable of receiving a VGA or DVI-D signal and appropriate cables to connect your console or SuperGUN to the XRGB-3. The best option available is using RGB-21 cables, though in some cases this is not possible and you will need to mod your console to output RGB and/or build your own custom cables. You can buy cables from the same places you could buy an XRGB-3.

The XRGB-3 has inputs for the following:

How much XRGB-3 cost ?

Official retail price is 38 640 yens.

How to reset XRGB-3 ?

1) Power off XRGB-3 (STANDBY)

2) Press "MENU" and "OK" buttons (keep pushing) then push "Power" button (unpush "MENU" and "OK").

How to update firmware ?

1) Power on XRGB-3

2) Connect USB cable to PC (type A to type B)

3) Windows will automatically detect XRGB-3 and install driver

4) execute XRGB-3 Update Tool (if the left button "Update" is greyed then something is wrong, try to power off XRGB-3 and reconnect USB cable)

5) clic on "Update" button

6) select firmware file to update (used format for firmware is *.x3b)

7) as soon as you selected firmware, update will start automatically (DONT REMOVE POWER CABLE AND USB CABLE UNTIL IT'S FINISHED)

8) Power off XRGB-3

9) Reset XRGB-3

Where can i download XRGB-3 firmwares ?

B0 firmware v.2.12 (Official link)

B1 firmware v.1.00 (Official link)

Important : about GAME IN input (RGB-21)

Never directly use SCART (europe standard) to XRGB since the pinout is different to the RGB-21 (japanese standard) and damage might result due to voltage applied on signal lines.

Solutions :

List of genuine RGB-21 consoles and official cables

  • Super Nintendo (SHVC-010)
  • PlayStation, PS one, PlayStation 2, PlayStation 3 (SCPH-1050)
  • Saturn (HSS-0109)
  • Neo Geo, Neo Geo CD (FCG-9)

Interesting link to translate ? : http://rgbcharmer.kt.fc2.com/rgb-junsei-cable.htm

How to make RGB cables : Game Console RGB SCART Cable Diagrams (by Tim Worthington)

Note (to removed, add to other section) : RGB-21 = japanese standard / SCART = european standard

How to increase size of screen while using Playstation Portable ?

Hardware required : PSP-2000 or PSP-3000 and component cable (or D-Terminal cable)

1) connect cable

2) enable output in PSP menu : Settings → Connected Display Settings → Switch Video Output (Output must be set to Progressive)

3) FCPGA mode : B0 (if using B1 mode, you will not be able to use D2 zoom)

4) Screen size : D2 zoom

to test : input quality differences ? D in 1 / D in 2 / D in 3

Does XRGB-3 support HDCP through DVI output ?

No, XRGB-3 does not support HDCP. So, if you are using a DVI to HDMI cable to connect XRGB-3 on an HDTV (HDCP compliant), it will not works. (need confirmation)

How to enable low screen resolution ?

Options → Low screen resolution → ON

Now, XRGB-3 will be able to ouput at 320x240 (15 kHz) and 640x400 (24 kHz).

Note : this option should be used only with a classic japanese PC monitor (PC-988x and X68k).

Does XRGB-3 add input lag ?

If your are using B0 mode then yes (2 frames). maybe we should add some exemples?

If your are using B1 mode then no.

VGA vs DVI output

VGA DVI
Can use B0 mode ? yes yes
Can use B1 mode ? yes no
Can use all resolutions ? yes yes
Input lag no (B1 mode)

yes (B0 mode) (2 frames)

yes (2 frames)

Note : the signal for DVI output is DVI-D.

What are those famous scanlines, why do i need/want them ?

Scanlines Demystified (by Fudoh)

How to enable scanlines ?

1) flash B1 firmware (v1.0) : xrgb3_lined_b1_v1_00.x3b

2) enable B1 mode : Special → FPGA SELECT → B1

3) Power off XRGB-3

4) Power on XRGB-3

5) adjust scanline level : Special → VL_H (horizontal) or VL_V (vertical)

Scanline chart

% 97 94 91 88 85 82 78 75 72 69 66 63 59 56 53 50 47 44 41 37 34 31 28 25 23 19 15 12 9 6 3 0
level 7 15 23 31 39 47 55 63 71 79 87 95 103 111 119 127 135 143 151 159 167 175 183 191 199 207 215 223 231 239 247 255

In general, you should use a value between 127 (50%) and 191 (25%). Increasing percent will produce a darker image.

XRGB-3 supported output resolutions

Resolution Type Aspect ratio
320x240 QVGA Normal (4:3)
640x400 ? ?
640x480 VGA Normal (4:3)
1024x768 XGA Normal (4:3)
1280x1024 SXGA Normal (5:4)
1600x1200 UXGA Normal (4:3)
1280x768 WXGA Wide (15:9)
1360x768 WXGA Wide (16:9)
1440x900 WXGA+ Wide (16:10)
1680x1050 WSXGA+ Wide (16:10)
1920x1080 HDTV Wide (16:9)
1920x1200 WUXGA Wide (16:10)

About D-Terminal

D type World Japan XRGB-3 support
D1 480i 525i yes
D2 480p 525p yes
D3 1080i 1125i yes
D4 720p 750p yes
D5 1080p 1125p no

Low pass filter chart from Micomsoft

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How to fix screen distortion in B1 mode ?

Your screen looks like this ?

scren distortion

Then you need to fix : Special screen settings → NTSC dot clock (set to MANUAL) → NTSC dot clock manually.

What is FULL_HD resolution setting for ?

If set to High, seems to fix problem (no video) when using DVI output and 1920x1080.(need confirmation)

Recommanded settings

Console / Arcade PCB Cable FPGA mode LPF Scanline Sharpness Extra settings (can help to fix problems)
Capcom CPS-1 RGB-21 via SuperGUN B1 OFF [scanline chart] ? 21 pin input termination : 220 OHM
Capcom CPS-2 RGB-21 via SuperGUN B1 OFF [scanline chart] ? 21 pin input termination : 220 OHM
Dreamcast S-VIDEO

RGB-21

VGA

?

?

B0

ON?

ON?

OFF

?

?

-

?

?

?

?

?

D in 2 INPUT signal : RGB

Master System RGB-21 B1 OFF [scanline chart] ? ?
Mega-CD COMPOSITE

RGB-21

B1

B1

ON

ON

[scanline chart] ?

?

?

?

Megadrive COMPOSITE

RGB-21

B1

B1

ON

ON

[scanline chart] ?

?

?

?

Neo Geo AES RGB-21 B1 OFF [scanline chart] ? NTSC AFC : MANUAL / AFC level : 4
Neo Geo MVS RGB-21 via SuperGUN B1 OFF [scanline chart] ? NTSC AFC : MANUAL / AFC level : 4

21 pin input termination : 220 OHM

Nes COMPOSITE

RGB-21

B1

B1

ON

ON

[scanline chart] ?

?

Y/C separation set : LOW PASS

?

Nintendo 64 COMPOSITE

S-VIDEO

RGB-21

B1

B1

ON

ON

[scanline chart] ?

?

?

?

PC Engine CD COMPOSITE

RGB-21

B1

B1

ON

ON

[scanline chart] ?

?



?

NTSC AFC : MANUAL / AFC level : 0~7 (more info?)

21 pin input termination : 220 OHM

PlayStation COMPOSITE

RGB-21

B1

B1

ON

ON

[scanline chart] 0?

0?

?

?

PlayStation 2 COMPOSITE

RGB-21

COMPONENT

B1

B1

B?

ON

ON

[scanline chart] 0?

0?

?

?

PlayStation Portable COMPONENT B0 OFF - 0~6 DOT_by_DOT : ON

NTSC AFC : MANUAL / AFC level : 0

Aspect Ratio : Wide

Saturn COMPOSITE

S-VIDEO

RGB-21

B1

B1

B1

ON

ON

ON

[scanline chart] 0?

0?

?

?

Super Nes COMPOSITE

S-VIDEO

RGB-21

B1

B1

B1

ON

ON

ON

[scanline chart] ?

?

?

?

?

?

Which cable should i choose for the best quality ?

HDMI -> VGA -> COMPONENT / SCART RGB -> S-VIDEO -> COMPOSITE (more details?, maybe talking about official / custom / no name cables ?)

Note 1 : D-Terminal = Component

Note 2 : I noticed that with some consoles, S-Video is as good as SCART RGB (ex : Super Nes / Saturn)

What is PCinP mode ?

??

How to use PCinP mode ?

??

Other

HDTV COMPATIBILY TEST

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  • using DVI to HDMI cable

Note 1 : B1 mode DOES NOT works when using DVI OUTPUT.

Note 2 : HDTV model tested (32) is limited to 1360x768 when using VGA input.

Note 3 : for some reason, the scaling signal when using XRGB-3 on a WXGA HDTV (32) is not good, it is recommanded to use 640x480 resolution for a WXGA HDTV. Also, a larger TV should help (46/52).

Quick notes about HDTV lag

It is possible to test your HDTV lag with 2 games (Guitar Hero or Rock Band). Also, you will need PlayStation 3 or Xbox 360 versions for testing all HD resolution (480i/480p/720p/1080i/1080p). By default, i had 60~70 ms audio lag with Guitar Hero 3. When i enabled Game Mode on my HDTV i had 0 ms lag. The problem with XRGB-3 is that in B0 mode and using upscaling it adds input lag (HDTV lag + XRGB3 lag = GAME OVER).

Frame conversion chart

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More informations :

The New Definitive HDTV Lag FAQ

fubarduck's HDTV / Video Game Lag FAQ

Calibration Tutorial and Troubleshooting guide for Rock Band 2

HDTV Lag - The Unofficial guide

External links

Micomsoft Official Website