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original pdf guide can be found [http://dl.free.fr/pzTsjwylv here] <- will be deleted when wiki updated
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Original guide (pdf format) can be found [http://dl.free.fr/pzTsjwylv here] for some time but will be deleted when wiki fully updated
  
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TO DO / NEED HELP FOR :
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- fixing english typos (english is not my native language)
 
- fixing english typos (english is not my native language)
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- anything that should be in this guide
 
- anything that should be in this guide
  
- adding/fixing things in <font color="#FFA500">Orange</font>
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- adding/fixing things in <font color="#FFA500">orange</font>
  
 
- improving menus/summary
 
- improving menus/summary
  
- shall i put this guide on some wiki or doc/pdf file is enough ? <- currently working on it
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- shall i put this guide on some wiki or doc/pdf file is enough ? <- currently working on it'''''
  
 
== Translations ==
 
== Translations ==
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== Released firmwares ==
 
== Released firmwares ==
===B0 firmware(s)===
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===B0 firmwares===
  
 
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INSERT MEGA SHEET
  
===B1 firmware(s)===
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===B1 firmwares===
  
 
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== FAQ ==
 
== FAQ ==
 
=== Why should i use XRGB-3 ? ===
 
=== Why should i use XRGB-3 ? ===
Deinterlacing Classic Videogames (by Fudoh) : http://retrogaming.hazard-city.de/
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Full answer : [http://retrogaming.hazard-city.de/ Deinterlacing Classic Videogames (by Fudoh)]
  
short answer : XRGB-3 is perfect for old school gaming (Nes, Super Nes, PC Engine, ...) to PC / HDTV monitor. Another cool addition is the ability to play PlayStation Portable games in TRUE fullscreen. XRGB-3 can also be used as a transcoder for more recent video games consoles (Dreamcast, Gamecube, Wii, Xbox, …). XRGB-3 can be used as an upscaler but the result is not always good and you will have to deal with issues (input lag, tweaking settings, …). If you are looking for a good deinterlacer/upscaler for modern consoles, buy a DVDO Edge.
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Short answer : XRGB-3 is perfect for old school gaming (Nes, Super Nes, PC Engine, ...) to PC / HDTV monitor. Another cool addition is the ability to play PlayStation Portable games in TRUE fullscreen. XRGB-3 can also be used as a transcoder for more recent video games consoles (Dreamcast, Gamecube, Wii, Xbox, …).  
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XRGB-3 can be used as an upscaler but the result is not always good and you will have to deal with issues (input lag, tweaking settings, …).
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If you are looking for a good deinterlacer/upscaler for modern consoles, buy a [http://www.anchorbaytech.com/dvdo_edge/ DVDO Edge]
  
 
=== Where can i buy XRGB-3 ? ===
 
=== Where can i buy XRGB-3 ? ===
Ebay, Yahoo Japan Auctions, Solaris-Japan.
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Try Ebay, Yahoo Japan Auctions, Solaris-Japan.
  
 
=== How much XRGB-3 cost ? ===
 
=== How much XRGB-3 cost ? ===
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=== Where can i download XRGB-3 firmwares ? ===
 
=== Where can i download XRGB-3 firmwares ? ===
Link : http://www.micomsoft.co.jp/xrgb-3_download.htm
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[http://www.micomsoft.co.jp/xrgb3_update_setup_v2_12.exe Official link for B0 firmware v.2.12]
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[http://www.micomsoft.co.jp/xrgb3_update_setup_lined_v1_00.exe Official link link for B1 firmware v.1.00]
  
 
=== Important : about GAME IN input (21 pin SCART RGB) ===
 
=== Important : about GAME IN input (21 pin SCART RGB) ===
???  
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<font color="#FFA500">???
 
(never directly use SCART Euro cable to XRGB, solutions → cable adapter or XRGB mod)
 
(never directly use SCART Euro cable to XRGB, solutions → cable adapter or XRGB mod)
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INSERT RGB MOD + DETAILS
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</font>
  
 
=== How to increase size of screen while using Playstation Portable ? ===
 
=== How to increase size of screen while using Playstation Portable ? ===
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to test : input quality differences ? D in 1 / D in 2 / D in 3
 
to test : input quality differences ? D in 1 / D in 2 / D in 3
 
  
 
=== Does XRGB-3 support HDCP through DVI output ? ===
 
=== Does XRGB-3 support HDCP through DVI output ? ===
No, XRGB-3 does not support HDCP. So, if you are using a DVI to HDMI cable to connect XRGB-3 on an HDTV (HDCP compliant), it will not works. (need confirmation)
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No, XRGB-3 does not support HDCP. So, if you are using a DVI to HDMI cable to connect XRGB-3 on an HDTV (HDCP compliant), it will not works. <font color="#FFA500">(need confirmation)</font>
  
 
=== How to enable low screen resolution ? ===
 
=== How to enable low screen resolution ? ===
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=== Does XRGB-3 add input lag ? ===
 
=== Does XRGB-3 add input lag ? ===
If your are using B0 mode then yes (2 frames).
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If your are using B0 mode then yes (2 frames). <font color="#FFA500">maybe we should add some exemples?</font>
  
 
If your are using B1 mode then no.
 
If your are using B1 mode then no.
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Frame conversion chart
 
Frame conversion chart
  
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More informations :
 
More informations :
  
The New Definitive HDTV Lag FAQ : http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=174085
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[http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=174085 The New Definitive HDTV Lag FAQ]
  
fubarduck's HDTV / Video Game Lag FAQ : http://www.hdtvarcade.com/hdtvforum/index.php?showtopic=4536
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[http://www.hdtvarcade.com/hdtvforum/index.php?showtopic=4536 fubarduck's HDTV / Video Game Lag FAQ]
  
Calibration Tutorial and Troubleshooting guide for Rock Band 2 :  http://www.rockband.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1750645%23post1750645
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[http://www.rockband.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1750645%23post1750645 Calibration Tutorial and Troubleshooting guide for Rock Band 2]
  
HDTV Lag - The Unofficial guide : http://hdtvlag.googlepages.com/home
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[http://hdtvlag.googlepages.com/home HDTV Lag - The Unofficial guide]
  
 
=== VGA vs DVI output ===
 
=== VGA vs DVI output ===
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Note : the signal for DVI output is DVI-D
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Note : the signal for DVI output is DVI-D.
  
 
=== What are those famous scanlines, why do i need/want them ? ===
 
=== What are those famous scanlines, why do i need/want them ? ===
Scanlines Demystified (by Fudoh) : http://scanlines.hazard-city.de/
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[http://scanlines.hazard-city.de/ Scanlines Demystified (by Fudoh)]
  
 
=== How to enable scanlines ? ===
 
=== How to enable scanlines ? ===
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100% = 0
 
100% = 0
  
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In general, you should use a value between 127 (50%) and 191 (25%). Increasing % will produce a darker image.
 
In general, you should use a value between 127 (50%) and 191 (25%). Increasing % will produce a darker image.
  
 
=== XRGB-3 supported output resolutions ===
 
=== XRGB-3 supported output resolutions ===
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=== D-Terminal types ===
 
=== D-Terminal types ===
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<font color="#FFA500">INSERT SHEET</font>
  
 
Note : XRGB-3 support input sources up to D4.
 
Note : XRGB-3 support input sources up to D4.
  
 
=== Low pass filter chart (from Micomsoft) ===
 
=== Low pass filter chart (from Micomsoft) ===
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<font color="#FFA500">INSERT SHEET</font>
  
 
=== How to fix video distortion in B1 mode ? ===
 
=== How to fix video distortion in B1 mode ? ===
 
Your picture looks like this ?
 
Your picture looks like this ?
  
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<font color="#FFA500">INSERT IMAGE</font>
  
 
Then you need to fix : Special screen settings → NTSC dot clock (set to MANUAL) → NTSC dot clock manually.
 
Then you need to fix : Special screen settings → NTSC dot clock (set to MANUAL) → NTSC dot clock manually.
  
 
=== What is FULL_HD resolution setting for ? ===
 
=== What is FULL_HD resolution setting for ? ===
If set to High, seems to fix problem (no video) when using DVI output and 1920x1080 (need confirmation).
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If set to High, seems to fix problem (no video) when using DVI output and 1920x1080.<font color="#FFA500">(need confirmation)</font>
  
 
=== Recommanded settings per source / console ===
 
=== Recommanded settings per source / console ===
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Note 1 : best video quality = pink color
 
Note 1 : best video quality = pink color
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=== HDTV COMPATIBILY TEST ===
 
=== HDTV COMPATIBILY TEST ===
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*using DVI to HDMI cable
 
*using DVI to HDMI cable
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=== What is PCinP mode ? ===
 
=== What is PCinP mode ? ===
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<font color="#FFA500">??</font>
  
 
=== How to use PCinP mode ? ===
 
=== How to use PCinP mode ? ===
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<font color="#FFA500">??</font>
  
 
=== How does XRGB-3 looks like ? ===
 
=== How does XRGB-3 looks like ? ===
INSERT IMAGE
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== External links==
 
== External links==
[http://www.micomsoft.co.jp/ Micomsoft Official Website](japanese)
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[http://www.micomsoft.co.jp/ Micomsoft Official Website]

Revision as of 21:46, 11 January 2010

Original guide (pdf format) can be found here for some time but will be deleted when wiki fully updated

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TO DO / NEED HELP FOR :

- fixing english typos (english is not my native language)

- improving japanese menus translation

- translating firmwares changelogs

- completing "Recommanded settings per source / console" and adding other systems (arcade boards, console) ?

- anything that should be in this guide

- adding/fixing things in orange

- improving menus/summary

- shall i put this guide on some wiki or doc/pdf file is enough ? <- currently working on it

Contents

Translations

Firmware translation

Firmware translation for version 2.12.

メインメニュー (Main menu)

Japanese English
アスペクト Aspect ratio
画質調整 Image settings
画面調整 Screen settings
子画面調整- PCinP settings
画面特殊設定 Special screen settings
サウンド調整 Sound settings
オプション Options
スペシャル Special

アスペクト (Aspect ratio)

Japanese English Setting Default setting
アスペクト Aspect ratio 自動 (Auto) / ノーマル (Normal) / ワイド (Wide) Auto

画質調整 (Image settings)

Japanese English Setting Default setting
明るさ Brightness 0 - 63 32
ガンマ Gamma 0 - 63 16
黒レベル Black level 0 - 255 128
鮮明度 Sharpness 0 - 31 7
Rレベル Red level 0 - 63 32
Gレベル Green level 0 - 63 32
Bレベル Blue level 0 - 63 32
Rガンマ Red gamma 0 - 63 16
Gガンマ Green gamma 0 - 63 16
Bガンマ Blue gamma 0 - 63 16
色合い Color tint 0 - 63 32
色の濃さ Color depth 0 - 63 32

画面調整 (Screen settings)

Japanese English Default setting
data L1-A data L1-B data L1-C
data L2-A data L2-B data L2-C
data L3-A data L3-B data L3-C

子画面調整 (PCinP settings)

Japanese English Default setting
data L1-A data L1-B data L1-C
data L2-A data L2-B data L2-C
data L3-A data L3-B data L3-C

画面特殊設定 (Special screen settings)

Japanese English Default setting
data L1-A data L1-B data L1-C
data L2-A data L2-B data L2-C
data L3-A data L3-B data L3-C

サウンド調整 (Sound settings)

Japanese English Default setting
data L1-A data L1-B data L1-C
data L2-A data L2-B data L2-C
data L3-A data L3-B data L3-C

オプション (Options)

Japanese English Default setting
data L1-A data L1-B data L1-C
data L2-A data L2-B data L2-C
data L3-A data L3-B data L3-C

スペシャル (Special)

Japanese English Default setting
data L1-A data L1-B data L1-C
data L2-A data L2-B data L2-C
data L3-A data L3-B data L3-C

sample (sample)

Japanese English Default setting
data L1-A data L1-B data L1-C
data L2-A data L2-B data L2-C
data L3-A data L3-B data L3-C

Remote translation

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Released firmwares

B0 firmwares

INSERT MEGA SHEET

B1 firmwares

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FAQ

Why should i use XRGB-3 ?

Full answer : Deinterlacing Classic Videogames (by Fudoh)

Short answer : XRGB-3 is perfect for old school gaming (Nes, Super Nes, PC Engine, ...) to PC / HDTV monitor. Another cool addition is the ability to play PlayStation Portable games in TRUE fullscreen. XRGB-3 can also be used as a transcoder for more recent video games consoles (Dreamcast, Gamecube, Wii, Xbox, …). XRGB-3 can be used as an upscaler but the result is not always good and you will have to deal with issues (input lag, tweaking settings, …). If you are looking for a good deinterlacer/upscaler for modern consoles, buy a DVDO Edge

Where can i buy XRGB-3 ?

Try Ebay, Yahoo Japan Auctions, Solaris-Japan.

How much XRGB-3 cost ?

Official retail price is 38 640 yens.

How to reset XRGB-3 ?

1) Power off XRGB-3 (STANDBY)

2) Press "MENU" and "OK" buttons (keep pushing) then push "Power" button (unpush "MENU" and "OK").

How to update firmware ?

1) Power on XRGB-3

2) Connect USB cable to PC (type A to type B)

3) Windows will automatically detect XRGB-3 and install driver

4) execute XRGB-3 Update Tool (if the left button "Update" is greyed then something is wrong, try to power off XRGB-3 and reconnect USB cable)

5) clic on "Update" button

6) select firmware file to update (used format for firmware is *.x3b)

7) as soon as you selected firmware, update will start automatically (DONT REMOVE POWER CABLE AND USB CABLE UNTIL IT'S FINISHED)

8) Power off XRGB-3

9) Reset XRGB-3

Where can i download XRGB-3 firmwares ?

Official link for B0 firmware v.2.12 Official link link for B1 firmware v.1.00

Important : about GAME IN input (21 pin SCART RGB)

??? (never directly use SCART Euro cable to XRGB, solutions → cable adapter or XRGB mod) INSERT RGB MOD + DETAILS

How to increase size of screen while using Playstation Portable ?

Hardware required : PSP-2000 or PSP-3000 and component cable (or D-Terminal cable)

1) connect cable

2) enable output in PSP menu : Settings → Connected Display Settings → Switch Video Output (Output must be set to Progressive)

3) FCPGA mode : B0 (if using B1 mode, you will not be able to use D2 zoom)

4) Screen size : D2 zoom

to test : input quality differences ? D in 1 / D in 2 / D in 3

Does XRGB-3 support HDCP through DVI output ?

No, XRGB-3 does not support HDCP. So, if you are using a DVI to HDMI cable to connect XRGB-3 on an HDTV (HDCP compliant), it will not works. (need confirmation)

How to enable low screen resolution ?

Options → Low screen resolution → ON

Now, XRGB-3 will be able to ouput at 320x240 (15 kHz) and 640x400 (24 kHz).

Note : this option should be used only with a classic japanese PC monitor (PC-988x and X68k).

Does XRGB-3 add input lag ?

If your are using B0 mode then yes (2 frames). maybe we should add some exemples?

If your are using B1 mode then no.

Quick notes about HDTV lag

It is possible to test your HDTV lag with 2 games (Guitar Hero or Rock Band). Also, you will need PlayStation 3 or Xbox 360 versions for testing all HD resolution (480i/480p/720p/1080i/1080p). By default, i had 60~70 ms audio lag with Guitar Hero 3. When i enabled Game Mode on my HDTV i had 0 ms lag. The problem with XRGB-3 is that in B0 mode and using upscaling it adds input lag (HDTV lag + XRGB3 lag = GAME OVER).

Frame conversion chart

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More informations :

The New Definitive HDTV Lag FAQ

fubarduck's HDTV / Video Game Lag FAQ

Calibration Tutorial and Troubleshooting guide for Rock Band 2

HDTV Lag - The Unofficial guide

VGA vs DVI output

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Note : the signal for DVI output is DVI-D.

What are those famous scanlines, why do i need/want them ?

Scanlines Demystified (by Fudoh)

How to enable scanlines ?

1) flash B1 firmware (v1.0) : xrgb3_lined_b1_v1_00.x3b

2) enable B1 mode : Special → FPGA SELECT → B1

3) Power off XRGB-3

4) Power on XRGB-3

5) adjust scanline level : Special → VL_H / VL_V

Scanline chart (% per level)

0% = 255

25% = 191

50% = 127

75% = 63

100% = 0

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In general, you should use a value between 127 (50%) and 191 (25%). Increasing % will produce a darker image.

XRGB-3 supported output resolutions

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D-Terminal types

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Note : XRGB-3 support input sources up to D4.

Low pass filter chart (from Micomsoft)

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How to fix video distortion in B1 mode ?

Your picture looks like this ?

INSERT IMAGE

Then you need to fix : Special screen settings → NTSC dot clock (set to MANUAL) → NTSC dot clock manually.

What is FULL_HD resolution setting for ?

If set to High, seems to fix problem (no video) when using DVI output and 1920x1080.(need confirmation)

Recommanded settings per source / console

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Note 1 : best video quality = pink color

Note 2 : some console need modding to be able to use RGB cables and some console have hardware limitation (ex: Dreamcast + VGA cable = not all games works).

Note 3 : Component and SCART 21 PIN RGB cables should be the same quality but with component cable you can enable progressive scan mode for some games (Playstation 2, Gamecube, Wii, Xbox).

HDTV COMPATIBILY TEST

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  • using DVI to HDMI cable

Note 1 : B1 mode DOES NOT works when using DVI OUTPUT.

Note 2 : HDTV model tested (32) is limited to 1360x768 when using VGA input.

Note 3 : for some reason, the scaling signal when using XRGB-3 on a WXGA HDTV (32) is not good, it is recommanded to use 640x480 resolution for a WXGA HDTV. Also, a larger TV should help (46/52).

What is PCinP mode ?

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How to use PCinP mode ?

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How does XRGB-3 looks like ?

INSERT IMAGE

External links

Micomsoft Official Website